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Reid spoilers from EW

Criminal Minds scoop, please! — Rosie

There’s much more to the story about Dr. Reid’s headaches…except you won’t find out until next season, according to EP Erica Messer. “That’s something that we’re talking to Matthew [Gray Gubler] about and the writers are all trying to figure out what stories we’ve dropped. Honestly, that storyline, that whole idea behind that, started before we lost A.J. [Cook] and Paget [Brewster]. There was a chance that we were fearing to lose Matthew just because of contract negotiations, and that storyline kind of got implanted and then never truly paid off in this season, but we want to sort of conclude that next season. That’s the plan.” Thank goodness the Gubler told me he’s all set for next season and exited about it. Can you imagine a Gube-less CM? Hells to the no! This team is magic!

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Oh please tell me that they aren't going the 'brain tumor' plotline. *headdesk* The whole series should be remaned "Days of our Agents"!

Can we have news on the Shemar/Thomas contact situation?!!

As long as its not schizophrenia or some other form of mental illness, I think I can roll with just about anything.

Although...that explanation kinda has me confused. I was under the impression that MGG's contract was already in place for next season (that he had a year left) and it was Thomas and Shemar that were in flux.

Same here, as long as it's not a mental illness I can roll with anything.

There's still no news, as far as I know, about T.G. and S.M.'s contracts. They're still negotiating.
Erica Messer's words about fearing to lose Gubler seem strange, I too thought his contract was already in place for the next season. MGG might have been in danger when he negotiated his contract last time.

Now, maybe the writers will use that story to prepare the field in case there's an eighth season and MGG's contract is not renewed (since his contract is up at the end of the seventh season)...

The problem is that if they're giving Reid schizophrenia at some point in the seventh season, they won't have a choice, the character will have to leave no matter what.

If, on the other hand, he ends up with a physical disease (that was undiagnosed so far by the other doctors) the writers will have room to work with, he can get better or not.

Of course, they might also tell us that Reid was just really stressed...but then why bring back that storyline at all if it's just to tell us that ?

That's my thinking too. There's no way they can give him a mental illness and he remain an agent and for me a Reid-less BAU would probably be enough to make me stop watching.

The only thing that has me worried about them giving him a brain tumor or physical illness that we'd see play out is that the writers haven't shown themselves capable of any kind of follow through with stuff like that. We find out Morgan was molested and its basically never mentioned again. Hotch had a couple of episodes (while Morgan was unit chief) where it seemed like he was dealing w/some PTSD and it then it disappeared. They never really dealt w/anything that happened in 100 after he came back. Reid had the magical disappearing drug addiction (one minute he's shooting up in the restroom, the next he's at a meeting declaring himself 10 months clean). To quote Hotch, the writers front site, and trigger press, but rarely do they follow through.

The only arc I remember them playing out in its entirety was Gideon's PTSD. During his entire run you saw little cracks, mini freak outs, stuff that let you know he was still on the edge from his time in Boston. Everything else big, they've dropped.

I just hope if they decide to go back to this story they actually tell a story...a complete, developed story arc.

I would think, even if he had a contract, they could always fire him due to budget cuts. They would probably have to pay some kind of settlement because they broke the contract, but I don't think even a contract is a 100% guarantee of a job.

doubt it, but schizophrenia (which would have made sense) would render him unable to work for the FBI.

if MGG goes at some point, i will stop watching the show.

i wish they had followed through with the drug addiction story line. those would have been intriguing episodes.

A Reid-less BAU would make me stop watching the show too, no question about that.

I think it could be easier for the writers to follow through a physical disease than a psychological one. Showing the symptoms of a physical disease and dealing with it would probably be less difficult.

What I fear is to see Reid simply saying that his headaches are stress related, or Reid briefly consulting a therapist and get better.
If that's what they have in mind, I would prefer them to drop the storyline.

Just like you I want a real, developed story. And I think they could do that if his symptoms are the cause of a physical disease.

Ouch! Even more predictable. What is wrong with the writers? Collective comas? Boredom? Alien mind-control takeovers by the other networks? It's as if the PTB on this show are having a field day torturing it to death!

I'm with you.
Tbf: Morgan, Reid and Garcia are my 'if they leave I'll stop watching' peeps.
I don't want any of the current cast to go though, apart from Seaver, I haven't grown to her really. She's bearable.

Same here. We should have at least gotten to see a detox episode.

I think the reason it irks me so much that it was dropped is it left me w/some weird, unresolved anger w/the team lol. The way it played out its like everyone knew he was in *some* kind of trouble and yet all he got was a really half arsed pep talk from Gideon. We know from later episodes Hotch, at some point, he had a drug problem but we never saw him get any real support from anyone and we're kind of left to fill in the blanks as to how he got better. The idea that they let him wander around in the field with an active addiction irks me and every attempt at "support" they showed someone giving him came off like Reid (the profiler) was more important than Spencer (the person). Both Gideon and Morgan basically made it job related (use it to make you a better profiler). Idk...the whole thing was a fail for me.

What? Morgan's molestation is not ever explicitly mentioned again, but that is in every movement his character makes. Every time he's rougher with someone who hurts children, the way he treats kids and rape victims, how angry he gets about religion because God didn't help him. That wasn't dropped.

Reid's drug arc wasn't dropped, either, but everyone fights me tooth and nail otherwise, so I'm not even going to start on them.

The fact that something isn't anvil-ing you in the face doesn't mean it never happened.

Can I just go and give the writers a good bop on the nose?

Subtlety? What could that possibly be?

I don't know, I don't know. I mean I'm still mad at that last scene in "Lauren", you know--if they wanted us to know it was Prentiss, they should've shown her face and kept my simple mind from being so confused!!!11!!11

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:( I didn't mean to offend or imply I'm too obtuse to not recognize things unless they are put in flashing neon signs.

Sorry; that wasn't directed specifically at you. It's just a very, very common thing to see in this fandom, and fun_french_fri&I get a little frustrated by it.

And that was the point: To give context to why Morgan acts the way that he does. It's something that he'll live with for the rest of his life, but by the time we meet Morgan, it's not something that's been actively happening to him for ten-fifteen years. The layer to Morgan's characterization that was added by that episode was the whole point. It doesn't have to be at the forefront of everything for it to be there. Like in "Into The Woods", you could see the way that Morgan reacted to the case, even subtly, and realize that he was thinking about his own trauma. It wasn't so much a story line as a layer, a reasoning.

Like I said, I'm not dealing super-hard with the Reid arc right now because I never get anywhere with that. It seems to be a you-see-it-or-you-don't thing. I see the subtle moments, like the sad smile in "With Friends Like These" when Seaver mentions the suspects being drug addicts in their mid-twenties, or the moments where Reid knows a little too much about support groups for it to be learned from a book. This show works better with its subtle moments, which is probably why I hate the colossal amounts of anvil-dropping this season.

I think Morgan's backstory introduced in 'Profiler Profiled' was treated accordingly. He's not going to bring it up every time, of course, but we know it's there and it shows in some cases. I agree with you here.

As for Reid and his drug addiction they 'resolved it' in two episodes 'Distress' and 'Jones', he got better after a short conversation with Gideon.
Even Ed. Bernero admitted in an interview that this story sounded better on paper than it actually was, that the format of the show couldn't support this story, and that Reid just "got better".
They wrote themselves in a hole with that one, so they had to resolve it hastily. Their resolution is far from realistic, but they should have thought harder about the whole story before deciding to introduce it. I don't want the writers to go back to that story, there would be no point in my opinion.

In the same way, Reid's headaches got better after a short conversation with Morgan.
I'm quite sure that nothing will come out of them picking up that storyline again. In all likelihood Reid will just say it was stress related. Maybe there will be talk about him seeing a therapist, and that will be it.

Ok :)

I mean, I totally didn't mean we needed a season of Morgan going through therapy or Reid in rehab or anything. Just that there's a fine line between being subtle and leaving things feeling undone which I think they do a lot in CM.

I mean, like with Morgan I don't feel like his behavior w/kids and victims of sexual abuse is them following through as much as it is explaining things. He's always been that way (like during P911 he has a MAJOR case of the angry) so to me Profiler, Profiled just gave us insight into why. Sort of provided a different lens to view earlier episodes. Sort of like with Reid. Once they introduced Diana and we find out she's institutionalized, if you go back and watch Derailed the scene where he's talking to Dr. Bryer is suddenly...idk more. Does any of this make any kind of sense LOL?

LOL I know I'm rambling but I'm one of those weird people that if its mentioned onscreen, I remember it even when there's seemingly no reason to. Like, I'm still wondering what happened to the four brothers Garcia said she had P911. She never mentions her family (at least not that I can remember) even when it seems like she would (like when she was shot).

Thank CBS for firing a bunch of the original writers and bringing in one-offs who barely know anything about the show.

Matthew is under contract until next year, when there are legitimate fears that he will leave the show to write/produce/direct something of his own. If I am reading the writing on the wall, they are shelving Reid's illness until next year to give them a convenient way to exit his character if MGG doesn't re-sign.

Personally, the day MGG leaves the show is the day I am also gone.

Okay, I give in, lmao. EXTENSIVE ANSWER AHEAD.

They didn't resolve the drug addiction in "Jones", though. There are mentions of it peppered through the rest of the series.

3x02 "In Name and Blood": Hotch mentions "that another one of my team members may have an unchecked drug addiction that I haven't reported" to Prentiss in the list of things she could have told Strauss about. One of the deleted scenes had Morgan and Reid talking (very similar to the bathroom scene in "With Friends Like These") and edging around the drug conversation. When Hotch comes back to the case, he looks at Reid and says, "I need your head in this." and Reid gives a quiet, "I know." It's not just about Gideon, there.

3x15 "A Higher Power": The scene where Reid and Prentiss are talking and Reid realizes that the "suicide notes" are amends letters. He knows too much about the meetings, and there's a moment where Prentiss gives him a look, and he looks away.

3x16 "Elephant's Memory": Obviously, we have Reid attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings because he's still dealing with cravings. It's not something that went away for him, and he's still struggling with it. There's another mention of Hotch knowing what was going on here, too. ("I think you need to go finish that movie.")

3x19 "Tabula Rasa": This deals more with Reid's PTSD than his actual addiction, but the two are very closely intertwined, so I'm listing it. There's a scene near the end where Reid and Hotch talk about how closure is not a linear thing--there's not a "Okay, well, I'm totally fine with this now" moment after the bad guy is dead or in jail. It's very pointedly both about the victim's father and Reid himself.

4x20 "Conflicted": Again with Reid's PTSD, and there's another moment where he's talking to Adam about drugs--"I have headaches." / "Then get a prescription."--it's very short, but it's one of the parallels drawn between the two in that episode.

4x24 "Amplification": This is one of the big ones. He flat out specifically refuses narcotics despite having a very, very painful death ahead of him via Anthrax. If he wasn't still struggling with this off-screen, he wouldn't have been so adamant about not having narcotics. Because Reid (and the writers) realize that a drug addiction isn't something you beat and just wave goodbye to--it will always be there, and there will always be that chance of relapse. Being given narcotics in the hospital could have jump-started that for him.

There are probably several moments that I'm missing right now, as well. I'm not going into season five because I haven't rewatched it, or season six, because I mentioned that in a previous comment.

They let the headaches go unresolved; I completely agree with that. But the drug addiction and PTSD? That didn't just go away over night. And idk who mentioned this earlier, but there was a comment about wanting a detox episode--but I honestly think that's missing the point, too. It doesn't end with detox, either. It's never going to be totally over for Reid--that's always going to be there under the surface.

Edited 2011-05-06 22:57 (UTC)

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