Reid spoilers from EW

[klutzy-girl.livejournal.com]

Criminal Minds scoop, please! — Rosie

There’s much more to the story about Dr. Reid’s headaches…except you won’t find out until next season, according to EP Erica Messer. “That’s something that we’re talking to Matthew [Gray Gubler] about and the writers are all trying to figure out what stories we’ve dropped. Honestly, that storyline, that whole idea behind that, started before we lost A.J. [Cook] and Paget [Brewster]. There was a chance that we were fearing to lose Matthew just because of contract negotiations, and that storyline kind of got implanted and then never truly paid off in this season, but we want to sort of conclude that next season. That’s the plan.” Thank goodness the Gubler told me he’s all set for next season and exited about it. Can you imagine a Gube-less CM? Hells to the no! This team is magic!

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[x-forgetromeo.livejournal.com]

Sorry; that wasn't directed specifically at you. It's just a very, very common thing to see in this fandom, and fun_french_fri&I get a little frustrated by it.

[sugakane-01.livejournal.com]

Ok :)

I mean, I totally didn't mean we needed a season of Morgan going through therapy or Reid in rehab or anything. Just that there's a fine line between being subtle and leaving things feeling undone which I think they do a lot in CM.

I mean, like with Morgan I don't feel like his behavior w/kids and victims of sexual abuse is them following through as much as it is explaining things. He's always been that way (like during P911 he has a MAJOR case of the angry) so to me Profiler, Profiled just gave us insight into why. Sort of provided a different lens to view earlier episodes. Sort of like with Reid. Once they introduced Diana and we find out she's institutionalized, if you go back and watch Derailed the scene where he's talking to Dr. Bryer is suddenly...idk more. Does any of this make any kind of sense LOL?

LOL I know I'm rambling but I'm one of those weird people that if its mentioned onscreen, I remember it even when there's seemingly no reason to. Like, I'm still wondering what happened to the four brothers Garcia said she had P911. She never mentions her family (at least not that I can remember) even when it seems like she would (like when she was shot).

[x-forgetromeo.livejournal.com]

I replied to the first two bits here ha: http://criminalxminds.livejournal.com/1647907.html?thread=13945635#t13945635

Garcia's parents actually died in a car accident when she was eighteen. She had a step-father, so it's ~plausible that they were her step-brothers and were a lot older than her, so she wasn't close to them. tbh though I think they just forgot that she mentioned her brothers in P911. The reason for her family not being there in "Penelope" is def because her parents weren't alive, though--she talks about that quite a lot in the episode. About how she's lived since then on the principle that "everything happens for a reason", and she couldn't lose hope in that because then nothing would make sense anymore.

[sugakane-01.livejournal.com]

I totally get your point of view :)

I am grateful for the moments of...idk..acknowledgement they give Reid's addiction. Like I'll always remember the scene where he's talking to Emily about writing a letter of amends and sort of trails off and there's this look of understanding that passes between them. I guess I feel like they gave us point A (the addiction) and have given us point C (the recovery) but not point B (the journey in between). But I do agree it was a better idea in theory than in practice and its water under the bridge at this point. :)

Oh, I knew about her parents death (for the life of me I can't remember which epi it was (Lucky? Penelope? but I know she made a reference to "going off the rails" and dropping out of school) but it just seemed weird to me that four brothers just disappeared into the ether lol. Although, I guess maybe sort of, somehow I can attribute the comment she made to JJ in "Cradle to Grave" about how she knew what it was like to lose her parents and "the people closest to her" getting her through it" as her talking about her brothers. Maybe? IDK.

*semi related PG note* I just watched Extreme Aggressor and OMG her look has changed lol. She was so...not PG looking in the pilot. She was so conservative. I wonder if that was b/c she wasn't a series regular yet. And Morgan was in a suit! And Reid was in the ugliest sweater ever. And Hotch was...happy, smiling, giggly man. And Gideon was...well Gideon was apparently always Gideon LOL.

[x-forgetromeo.livejournal.com]

Ha! They are all really different in the pilot. I'm pretty sure that Kirsten was just meant to be a guest star at that point, and then they fell in love with her and her/Shemar's chemistry, so they brought her back all through season one and made her a regular in season two. :)

Hotch is that way a lot in the first season, though, tbh. He was a much lighter character (though still not like, Sunshine Lollipops And Rainbows). I really think he got darker after Elle was shot--that moment when he's wiping her blood from the walls and it really sinks in just how much this job could cost them all. And then he just gets progressively more stoic (understandably). There's also the fact that he's much lighter around Haley and Jack, too. (Though everyone ignores this because ~Haley is not to be tolerated ooooo~ *eye roll*)

[sugakane-01.livejournal.com]

Hotch DOES come off...idk, happier in the first season. I think the Fisher King case was a turning point for Hotch, Reid, Gideon and Elle. I always look to that episode, and Gideon's speech about "I got nothing left" and how he needed a sanctuary and it had been taken from him as the point in which his breakdown became sort of inevitable. I think getting that head sent to his cabin was the beginning of the end for him.

With Haley...I don't think of her as evil incarnate. I do see her as the type that wanted the 2.3 kids and the white picket fence and the life that from the outside everyone looks at and envies. I think she felt kind of...idk...bamboozled in a way. I mean, she married a boy who wanted to be a lawyer and ended up with a man who hunted psychopaths. I think that marriage was a case of two basically good people who wanted different things and couldn't find a compromise. I think, honestly, she loved Hotch but didn't really understand him the person he became (like when she insisted being in the BAU was what he did and not who he was...imo it's a really big part of who he is) and he loved her but couldn't give her the life she wanted without giving up something he felt he needed. He could have switched to another division but he would have been miserable and eventually resented her and she would have eventually resented him. *shrugs* I always kind of saw them as two people who got married when they were young and then instead of growing together, they grew apart. Who you are at 19 and who you are at 35 can sometimes be light years apart. I think there's so much vitriol w/Haley b/c of the "implied affair" and because towards the end of their marriage her writing was...not the most sympathetic. I wish that cell phone had never rung. :(

And I really, really want to know who/what convinced Hotch to go with "Jack" when he was obviously so uncomfy about naming his kid Henry, Jeffrey, Charles, ect because of the serial killer connections LOL.

[x-forgetromeo.livejournal.com]

I honestly think Gideon was headed in that direction from the first episode. He was always...off. I mean, look at "The Fox"--when he starts screaming in the middle of the house? Everyone in that scene looks startled, and it's kind of scary. I read somewhere that EAB originally wrote Gideon's exit as a suicide, which makes much more sense to me than his ~riding off into the sunset~ exit, because suicide is where his character was going from day one. You can see echoes of the suicide idea when Reid walks into the cabin in 3x02, and in Gideon's scenes in 3x01--when I watched through the series and hit that episode the first time, I honestly thought that Reid had walked into the cabin and found Gideon's body.

Ugh can I marry you for your opinion on Haley? She didn't marry a man who would never be home; she married a lawyer who would be home for dinner and there to help her raise her son. They both loved each other, and still loved each other in "100"--they just couldn't make it work. And honestly, if I were in Haley's position, I would have left as well. Hotch is a good man and a good father, but he wasn't honestly a good husband.

And honestly, I never took that phone call as Haley cheating, which is what baffles me about so much of fandom reaction. She moved in with her sister at the end of the episode--I always assumed it was her sister calling because they were talking about Haley and Jack moving in with her for a while.

[sugakane-01.livejournal.com]

LOL you and me are likethis on Gideon. I seriously thought he ate his gun. And always thought it would have made more sense than the exit he got b/c there was just so many broken places in him by that point. Plus, while I can suspend enough belief to maybe see him disappearing into the great blue yonder...I don't see him never contacting anyone ever again. I don't see him not keeping tabs on Hotch and Reid. I can see Gideon leaving, but no way can I see him staying gone. Especially during all the Reaper madness, but that's just me I guess.

But yeah, he was always one good shove away from flying off the cliff. I always got the sense (maybe from what happened w/Bale or just being kinda generally intense and type A) that Gideon was on the edge from the pilot episode. I always thought it was a combination back to back hits that finally tipped him over. My friends swear I'm reading into stuff, but I always saw Gideon as one step away from disaster.

I think Jack was Haley's breaking point. I honestly think she could deal with being on her own so much when it was just her, but once a baby came into the picture HER priorities shifted and she couldn't understand how his couldn't.

See...I think the reason the phone call is suspect is because of the hang up he gets right before (let's face it, no one expected Hotch to be home lol) and the look that passes between them when her cell starts ringing immediately after the hang up and again when she chooses not to answer it in front of him but to take it to another room. One of those things on their own is meh, you add them all together, plus the marital discord and there's (imo) a basis for suspicion. I tend to think she cheated but I also think there's just as much to interpret it innocently. It's truly a matter of perception. I do think though by that point she was tired of feeling alone and that a large part of her had emotionally checked out. I think she knew that she needed what he couldn't give her and he knew she wanted who he couldn't be and it was...the writing was on the wall.

[x-forgetromeo.livejournal.com]

Honestly, Gideon was a very, very selfish character. It makes sense to me that he would disappear and not contact anyone. Not as much sense as it would have for him to have committed suicide (which is my personal canon, tbh, because that's what it was supposed to be before Mandy diva'd and vetoed it). And if he'd been out of touch with the team for almost three years, he might not have even heard about the Reaper stuff.

I think Gideon was written to constantly be on that edge. I definitely don't think you're looking into it too much.

I think Jack was Haley's breaking point. I honestly think she could deal with being on her own so much when it was just her, but once a baby came into the picture HER priorities shifted and she couldn't understand how his couldn't.

Yes yes yes yes YES. That is all I have to contribute to this. I agree.

idk, it really is a matter of interpretation. From what we've seen of Jessica Brooks (who I love, don't get me wrong), I can see her being annoyed enough with Hotch at this point to just hang up because she didn't want to talk to him. My dad does this sometimes when my mom's (very long-winded) sister calls and he answers before checking the caller ID. I can see Hotch interpreting this as Haley cheating, hence the "Are you really doing this" / "I can't believe you think I'm doing this" sort of look.

But yeah, you're not using it to bash her, so I will just agree to disagree on that one. ;)

[sugakane-01.livejournal.com]

I like Jessica too! I don't quite understand her 180 w/Hotch (she was openly hostile before and seems like a psycho killing her sister would only make her more so) but I really like her.

I don't think Gideon was a bad person mind you, but I agree he was very "me oriented". That's actually why I don't think he would have gone away and stayed away. I think his ego would have led him to keep tabs on the team, kind of a "can they REALLY get along without me?" kind of deal. Which isn't to say he didn't genuinely care for them, but I always got the sense that Gideon was the sort of person who could only relate to people as they related back to him. A kind of emotional tunnel vision so to speak. And I think with the Reaper deal he wouldn't have been able to resist drawing a parallel between Hotch and Foyet and him and Frank.

I think everything with Gideon came back to him in some way which is why I disagreed w/Emily (who I adored) when she was telling Reid to reconsider Gideon's letter. I saw him leaving the one person he knew would be the most affected by his absence with the responsibility of (at least initially) having to break the news that he was gone as kind of passive aggressive. He got to make his explanation/apology and Reid had no choice but to accept it and (seemingly) never got to respond or get his feelings out. I think Gideon gave the gift of a goodbye to himself, not to Spencer. Sure he gave him an explanation for his leaving but the way he gave it to him was an emotional molly wop. A Dear John letter is a Dear John letter no matter how valid the reasons behind the "break up" is. I never faulted Gideon for leaving b/c like I said, I always saw him as a wee bit unstable, but the way he chose to do it left me kind of disappointed in him.

Selfish Gideon?

[gsyh.livejournal.com]

Dude, dude is a walking PTSD case, I think he's like Diana Reid - he could barely take care of himself, he's barely functioning as a human being, he has nothing left to give, that's why he ran away. Like, the depressed mom in the recent "Children's Hour", when she dropped off her kid at the granny's house without seeing him inside - she was just so weighted down by what was probably a stream of killmyselfkillymyself thoughts she barely struggled to the surface long enough to get her kid out of the house.

I think Gideon was suicidal, but him killing himself at his cabin wouldn't fit as much as him running away, suicide was too final, and I think he'll know what suicide would do to the team - if he does kill himself LATER...


I srsly doubt that Gideon is having a happily ever after somewhere else at all, the way that Reid might have expected (especially when compared to his dad, which even then, turns out to be a long hours guy with a sick cat who keeps everything on Reid, it's possible that Reid got his memory from his dad as well, and sometimes, so much stuff just get overwhelming, his dad ran away and kept running away with the long hours thing).

Episode one, Gideon came back from medical leave, but he still wasn't alright, and then The Fisher King busted his compartmenized sense of safety, and then Frank perverted his list of happy ending reminders by using it to off them, and Sara. Gideon has ran away from the BAU - the place where he have to stay functional, it is fridge horror for me because I just know, if he is not contacting anyone at all (like off screen), then he's off somewhere, in a very bad way, even if he's remembering to eat, he's probably having nightmares every night, away from people who would understand.

re: Haley

[gsyh.livejournal.com]

...and before she married him, they were dating a long time, as /highschool sweethearts/, people who were probably inseparable every single school day during lunch.

It wasn't just that Hotch wasn't there for him because of the BAU, it was also that he didn't let her be there for him! Remember when she cooked for him in The Fisher King? She wants to take care of him too.

She didn't like what he was doing to himself, because of the job.