Give me some example of Gideon 'whining', other than his BSOD-ish moment in Fisher King over the lost of his safe space cabin (which would later on be parallel by Elle's remark about her not feeling safe at home - the Fisher King episode was not a trauma in itself (or the biggest issue in itself) it was what it dug up).
Hotch is someone heading towards woobieness, but with the help of Rossi, nad Jack being back his life, he didn't actually become one.
I don't count Spencer as a woobie prior to Tobias Hankel actually.
It's not the recklessness in itself, it's the feeling that the character feels that it's better him harmed than anyone else. Derailed, which happened before Tobias Hankel, did require Spencer to go in there, and he went nervously. Later on, he was much more careless with his own life.
Ditto with Gideon, series opened with the episode where Gideon got the unsub to shoot at him so Elle would have a clear shot - and he didn't know her at the time.
That Morgan have trust issues is very very understandable, but he doesn't do self-destruct, his relationship with women, on the amorous front, might be fleeing, but I don't see it as anything more unhealthy than a lot of single professionals trying to figure themselves out (relationship vs career).
Relative to the rest, Gideon and Spencer self-neglects more and take more risk than others, both thinking less of it and to a greater degree that what it might be worth.
Everyone else on the team tends to take a more measured approach to risk. The burning building you referenced in regards to Hotch, that was "Ashes and Dust" right? In that case, Hotch had felt a very personal connection with the man who was inside that building, it's different than throwing your life in for a stranger (and less assessment in regards to worth - like, the teacher being already dead in Compulsion, or the fact that Reid could have been killed by the voodoo Prof - he shouldn't have gone in alone.
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Re: My definition of woobie
Date: Dec. 21st, 2011 03:08 am (UTC)Hotch is someone heading towards woobieness, but with the help of Rossi, nad Jack being back his life, he didn't actually become one.
I don't count Spencer as a woobie prior to Tobias Hankel actually.
It's not the recklessness in itself, it's the feeling that the character feels that it's better him harmed than anyone else. Derailed, which happened before Tobias Hankel, did require Spencer to go in there, and he went nervously. Later on, he was much more careless with his own life.
Ditto with Gideon, series opened with the episode where Gideon got the unsub to shoot at him so Elle would have a clear shot - and he didn't know her at the time.
That Morgan have trust issues is very very understandable, but he doesn't do self-destruct, his relationship with women, on the amorous front, might be fleeing, but I don't see it as anything more unhealthy than a lot of single professionals trying to figure themselves out (relationship vs career).
Relative to the rest, Gideon and Spencer self-neglects more and take more risk than others, both thinking less of it and to a greater degree that what it might be worth.
Everyone else on the team tends to take a more measured approach to risk. The burning building you referenced in regards to Hotch, that was "Ashes and Dust" right? In that case, Hotch had felt a very personal connection with the man who was inside that building, it's different than throwing your life in for a stranger (and less assessment in regards to worth - like, the teacher being already dead in Compulsion, or the fact that Reid could have been killed by the voodoo Prof - he shouldn't have gone in alone.