what, nobody wants to talk about 2x13?

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Am I alone on the internets? (Sorry if I am overstepping my bounds starting a thread, but I really want to talk about this.)



"And peas!" OMG. This might be the beginning of a beautiful friendship, I suspect: Prentiss is a giant geek after all. She was just as excited about the peas as Reid was.

And I thought Gibson and Gubler did a great job with the WTFBBQ? expressions when they entered the airstream trailer. Dr. Reid looked like he might be going to lose his lunch for a minute there. That was awesome.

Also, I suspect "I have a more interesting question. 'What does the psychopath have in the bag, Jason?'" is going to become a catchphrase around here. We all sort of collectively *howled* at that line.

How did you like the nonlinear narrative thing? Reminds me of mid-period X-files, very shiny. They seem to have no deficit of confidence and willingness to experiment, which I think is a good thing--but the last five or ten minutes, I did think felt very contrived. Were we actually meant to believe the not-an-unsub's professions at the end, or are we (and Gideon) meant to be watching a train wreck we can't stop? The dialogue wasn't as good in that bit, I thought.



Anyway. Eee!

Comments

[darklydanie.livejournal.com]

HOLY CRAP! I loved it. I thought it was well written and suspenseful matched by a wonderful turn by Keith Carradine. However, the line that I keep saying over and over again is:

"A psycho with a whistle. That's not too weird."- Reid

Hehe. I loved that.

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Hah! That was a *great* line. You didn't think Reid seemed a little out of character in that scene? First of all with Prentiss having to tell him (a Las Vegan) about what rural Nevada towns are like, and then not having his usual compassion for the mentally ill?

I agree about Carradine. He was *awesome.* Soooooooo creepy.

Also, JJ and Garcia sleeping in the office. Beautiful, both insight into their relationship and their own drives.

[darklydanie.livejournal.com]

Well, Las Vegas isnt exactly a one horse town so I suppose she could make her observations (but as an ambassadors daughter how much small town experience does she have?) but as far as Reid goes yeah I think it was interesting that he didnt attempt to engage Alice (her name was Alice right? Now I cant remember. Crap.) he just sort of froze, you think he of all people would know how to react. Granted it was a little out of his control. Oh well, I guess maybe we are reading too much into it lol.

JJ and Garcia is love that was hilarious. Wonderful. Really.

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Hee. I lived in Las Vegas for seven years. Yeah, it's not a one horse town, but it is kind of an island nation. Weird place.

Alice. Yes, it was Alice.

"Poky!"

Poor Garcia. Her private workspace is everybody's camp ground.

[darklydanie.livejournal.com]

Your icon is making me laugh because it look like Hotch is molesting Reid. That is good stuff. Hehe. Yeah Garcia's workspace reminds me of when I worked at an office. I collect old toys (like slinkies and silly putty) and people would huddle to play. It was really annoying. Its like I cant help my coolness stay away from my desk!

[sevs-girl72.livejournal.com]

YAY PEAS!!!! *giggles*
I'll never be able to eat them the same way again.^^
I was looking for an expression to explain the look on Reid and Hotch's faces in that Trailer and "WTFBBQ" definitely sums it up. Thank you^^

I agree with the last bit. It almost seemed as if they rushed the ending. We all know that the guy will never stop killing, and it won't be long until the crazy woman is dead. But they didn't really pull it off that it was believable that he could stop. I can't wait to see Carradine again though he was awesome!

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

It was the shot of the meat saw, and then Reid's reaction shot with the mouth hanging open. Oh, I was so RIGHT THERE WITH HIM.

DON'T GO IN THE BASEMENT! EEEE!

[tj-siegel.livejournal.com]

Her name was Jane, I think.

I actually didn't like this episode. It made no sense. They just let the psychopath go? After he'd killed 100 people?

Now, the station I watch CM on went wonky for about five minutes, so if I missed something that would explain that ridiculous plot twist, PLEASE tell me!!

That said, Reid was hot!! =)

TJ

[slash-girl.livejournal.com]

the station I watch CM on went wonky for about five minutes

Hmm. You get CBS Buffalo as well? ;) And the one friggin' night CTV wasn't airing it. I'm sorry but American Idol is NOT more important than CM.

so if I missed something that would explain that ridiculous plot twist, PLEASE tell me!!

If you do get it on CBS buffalo, then you didn't miss WHY they let him go (um, and if it's a different station, just ignore me! *lol*): they didn't have a choice--it was either let him go or he doesn't tell them where the kids are and with 25,000 miles of desert to search and having absolutely NO idea where to start, how long would a bunch of elementary aged school kids last. In RL? They wouldn't do that. But also in RL? The BAU doesn't have it's own jet, either. So, willing suspension of disbelief and all that.

Besides, how could Gideon have a nemesis if he doesn't escape? ;)

Although I enjoyed watching the ep...now I'm kind of *meh* over the whole thing, although I think both MP and Keith Carradine were superb....

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree that I'd rate it as one of the worse episodes plotwise, but I am so pleased with the narrative games--very Pulp Fiction--that I will forgive it.

And the character bits were really nice.

[ghada-bell.livejournal.com]

I finally got my recurent bad guy ! YES ! And he was sca-ry ! It's really the first time that I felt real terror for they way he kills his victims. Call me apathic, but since now, I neverhave been so conserned about the victims, but this time I was quite disturbed by the killing ! Anyone felt the same way ? Anyway, I am looking forward to see Keith Carradine again !

Spencer was as funny as usual and I have to say that Emilyis growing on me !

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

When I twigged who the hostage was, I got a little eee, yeah.

[slash-girl.livejournal.com]

This might be the beginning of a beautiful friendship, I suspect: Prentiss is a giant geek after all

Dear God I hope not, with the friendship thing...cus then the shippers will arrive. *sigh* And Morticia Prentiss is a giant something, but I'm not quite sure what she is. But that's just my opinion...*G*

And I just rewatched it this morning; she wasn't that excited over the peas...although Reid really was! He's such a cute little geek.

Overall, I liked the ep whilst I was watching it but I really feel *meh* about it now...kinda weird. But it was a good ep and now Gideon has a nemesis...!

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Oh, I love her. I miss Elle, but I am pleased that they seem to be carrying through the sibling dynamics.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't stand Morticia. I don't think she got the job fairly--she was forced onto Hotch and the team--and she still hasn't proven (to me) that she can do it. I'm equally certain she leaked info on those prostitute killings in DC to the politcian... And it's not that I'm averse to new characters (I love Ziva on NCIS--in fact, I like her better than I liked Cait).

I guess part of it is that I resent the writers trying to manipulate us into feeling sorry for her (oh, i hate politicians, whine, sniffle, etc) and then in the next ep trying to show us after only, what, two eps? that she's a true part of the team. It took time for Elle to be such, it should take longer for Morticia. And she's too Mary-Sueish for my liking. They'll have to do some radical rewriting (ie personality transplant) if I'm ever going to like her.

I loved Elle, and honestly, I think they proved with the few eps they had w/out Elle or Morticia, that they do not NEED another woman on the team. But again, that's just my opinion.

[slash-girl.livejournal.com]

*Ack* that was me, I forgot to log in! *sigh*

[nebula99.livejournal.com]

ha ha ha - I so guessed that was you!

[slash-girl.livejournal.com]

*lol* Guess I'm too obvious and predictable, huh? (I love the icon I'm using with this post....even if I did make it. ;))

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

oh me too! except I don't miss Elle. Half the time I couldn't stand her, the other half I just didn't care. She was annoying. I like Emily much, much better.

[rule-number-7.livejournal.com]

A quick question. Is this the episode with the psychopath in the diner? 'cause CTV hasn't aired that one yet and I want to know how creepy it is lol

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

It is.

And it's... moderately creepy.

[rule-number-7.livejournal.com]

It doesn't really matter since I'll watch it anyways but it's nice to know in advance lol

[slash-girl.livejournal.com]

Yep they chose to air American Idol instead...and I don't see them having the new ep listed for the next week or so. They're airing eps on Sunday and Monday but both are S1 repeats, at least, according to the CTV site last night.

[rule-number-7.livejournal.com]

That's what I thought. I don't really mind as long as I get to watch some Criminal Minds. Hopefully they'll air more new episodes soon though. I wasn't the happiest person when I saw what replaced it. Too bad I can't pay for cable TV lol

[carinvdd.livejournal.com]

I loved this episode. I thought Keith Carradine was brilliant. I thought the scenes with him and Mandy were wonderful. I did find Reid to be somewhat out of character but they must be setting us up for a future storyline.

http://criminalmindsfanatic.blogspot.com/

[moonshinefaerie.livejournal.com]

I... haven't been even moderately interested in CM since Elle left. And while I know that it was Lola's decision, I think she was replaced a little too quickly.

But I still do watch it, and this is a good, intense episode. Just... the new girl needs to die, my personal opinion.

And the peas thing and Reid getting all excited made me fall over. I wish there had been more "phone action" between Garcia and Morgan though.

[paradise-city.livejournal.com]

There is never enough phone action with Garcia. Though I love it when she talks to Morgan, Reid's my second favorite. I love his fishface whenever she gets him on the phone. Straight up awesome.

[slash-girl.livejournal.com]

Just... the new girl needs to die, my personal opinion.

Word.

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

In a future episode Reid will be all excited about an imploding hotel and Emily gets curious why he's all excited and Reid tells her "cool, huh?" emily: "why is that cool?" aka: wtf? oh I loves me some Geek Reid.

[tj-siegel.livejournal.com]

Okay, fine...they had no choice but to deal with the psychopath. That still begs the question: what was the psychopath's escape plan? He was dropped off in the middle of the desert! Bah...

I also agree that Reid's reaction to Jane was unusually cold. I'd have understood if he was uncomfortable around, or upset by, her. But he was so dismissive. It jarred.

On the upside, Frank was terrifying and the narrative structure very cool. Although something tells me I missed an adorable Reid moment. What's all this about peas?! =)

TJ

[cpolk.livejournal.com]

I had to wait until I torrented it today to see it. I had thought that I had missed it since I was on the phone but it turns out that CTV wasn't showing it anyway. I should write them and say "Why you do this?"

Narrative: oh, shiny. but you know me and the leaping everywhere thing. I liked moving back and forth, and i feel like i picked up most threads in time. They helped by using colour saturation and desaturation to signal a change in time, and it only took a couple of transitions before I caught that.

but...

yeah, the bit in the police station with Reid's reaction to Jane - it's like he and Emily got their names mixed up on the sides and everybody had teh dumb that day and so no one noticed. I mean, that's not the way it was supposed to go. That's *not* Reid. Could it be Emily? Possibly - I don't know enough about her yet though I'm still not really liking her yet either. But I loves Reid, and the way he behaved in the police station didn't make sense.

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but the ending... I think it was supposed to be some inevitable trainwreck that Jason could not stop, but that's not it exactly. I think the intent was to show that Jason failed to stop it, because he was blinded by his own surety, but it's a stupidplot because it breaks with character even more drastically than Reid's break.

Now I will back my assertion up.

there's a point in the episode where Gideon says that Frank's incapable of love, and Frank reacts to that. He laughs. Gideon picks up on the reaction, but when Morgan needles him, Frank's got enough time to cover. to go back into remorseless I'm exactly what you think I am.

And Gideon should have *caught* that. the Jason I've been watching would have made note, and brought it back, and poked at it to get the answer.

the next time we go back, Frank tells the story of the woman whose body hadn't been found in over a year. I mean COME ON. Why is that significant?

He's speaking to his own sense of isolation, his own invisibility. Remember he said to Morgan? "If I had your looks..." He has a self image of being nondescript, faceless, lonely in a crowd, insignificant.

Remember Jane's story, here. Remember what she said.

And Gideon ignores this to repeat what he's built from a profile. He doesn't see that there's a thread in there that might mean something. He too refuses to see Frank. He fails to recognize him.

"but not last night. Something changed. You took a person of prominence. someone that mattered to everyone. Why?"

Who are you and where did you put Jason? it's the sociopath's solution:

A woman is at her mother's funeral, and sees a man there who is so beautiful and compelling, it takes her breath away. They make eye contact, but do not speak to each other.

The very next week, that woman kills her sister.

Why?

And Frank gives it right back to him! "That's an interesting question, Jason. Why?" He's all but begging him to figure it out.

But then, another distraction. Send in a man with the gun. Break the thread. What's the psychopath got in the bag, Jason?

And I'm sorry, but neither of these breaks should have been enough to utterly wipe Gideon's short-term memory. it's stupidplot.

but what makes this even worse is that Jason knows when he walks into that diner that Frank wants Jane. He knows from Jane's story that she was supposed to be one of his victims, but he let her go. He knows that Frank's migration path leads ever to Golconda. That he returns there regularly, even in the same month of the year. He had everything he needed to understand exactly what Frank wanted, and why, and he ... seems to refuse to see it.

but even if he's stuck on believing that Frank wants Jane so he can kill her, Jason should have instructed those looking for Jane to not bring her anywhere near the stand off. we has teh dumb! we has subverted characterization! GAH.

[thedarkone8703.livejournal.com]

I loved it but in a Criminal Minds board I'm in a handful didn't like it. I though it was amazing!