Discussion Post for the CM Two-Parter--"The Big Game" and "Revelations".

[laguera25.livejournal.com]

Here is the discussion post for "The Big Game" and its conclusion, "Revelations". Squee and speculate to your heart's content, but no flaming. Remember, comments may contain spoilers.

Comments

[sarievenea.livejournal.com]

erm, 4 hours??!!!

[laguera25.livejournal.com]

Bzuh? It starts in 3 minutes on the East Coast...

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Mockingbirds, like Reid, have no concern for their own safety. *g*

[autumnsfire.livejournal.com]

Okay, hadn't originally seen the Big Game -

Garcia staring at Morgan is kinda creepy.

Reid winning Star Trek trivia was just awesome. :)

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

(Hotch drinks guinness)
(Morgan is so cute playing serial killer in his ickle blue booties)

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

JJ ruffling Reid's hair is love

[patch-tank.livejournal.com]

Remember, comments may contain spoilers.

I'm counting on it! I won't get to see this episode for months (I'm on the wrong side of several oceans), so I'm feverishly awaiting the spoilers and squeeing of others. Please let me know what happens!

-Patch

[rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com]

If you have the ability to download eps, I know where you can find some.

[autumnsfire.livejournal.com]

Okay Reid.

Splitting up is a dumb move.

[http://users.livejournal.com/downstraightup_/]

Ah! you are kidding me!
They are playing a Basketball game instead! and i cant watch it til 1:38 AM

[autumnsfire.livejournal.com]

Oh...wow. :(

That sucks. :-(

[beatriceeagle.livejournal.com]

Has anyone else just finished watching? My mind is blown.

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Oh, man. I have had my suspicions that there was something like this coming, since the Tanqueray Incident with Elle.

eee.

[sevs-girl72.livejournal.com]

I have never been so on edge for a show in my life!
But I don't think I can handle the drug thing...it is too heart breaking *cries*

[lord-ubar.livejournal.com]

i know! I just sat there during the commercials mumbling things like, "don't hurt that boy. don't you hurt that boy." ...that was pretty much my most coherent thought for the entire hour. I'm actually a little shaky right now.

[disturbedwriter.livejournal.com]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh why did they have to end it like that???? No drug addictions, no! It seems so uncharacteristic of Reid....but I guess it was powerful stuff...*pouts*

Did anybody else scream at the television and almost cry about a dozen times during this episode?

[beatriceeagle.livejournal.com]

Me! I did!

I don't know, heroin (and all drugs in its family) are pretty powerful.

[ohthe-placesigo.livejournal.com]

reid can't be a druggie!!!!!
noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahhh.

[snatchturkish.livejournal.com]

oh no oh no oh no Spencer and drugs!?!?!??!??!??! please say it's not true!

[rebel-yell12.livejournal.com]

Reid could so have taken the stuff to keep them from knowing he was drugged, right? I prefer to think that way. Making a character an addict is kinda cliche, and besides, Reid is weird enough without drug problems.

I was actually yelling at my tv (well, Morgan, through my tv) "Just give the kid a hug, Morgan! You know you want to!" I kinda expected more reaction out of Gideon too. Prentiss didn't surprise me I guess, but - damn, I was wanting Morgan to really show Reid that bond they have. I love the Morgan/Reid friendship.

[beatriceeagle.livejournal.com]

But why would he want to hide the fact that he was drugged, unless he was planning on taking more? Of all the characters on the show, Reid has actually been shown as one of the most likely to reach out for help when he wants it.

[jett-chan.livejournal.com]

I'm new to this discussion and anything to do with the community. I just absolutely had to find someone to talk to about this episode...

Good lord! I'm jittery now! Bouncing in my chair and whatnot!

I turned away for a split second when he took the viles that I almost didn't believe what I saw. I had to call my grandmother and ask her if that's really what he took out of the guy's pocket. Oh, Reid...

I think... (I don't know what to think), but this could go two ways: 1) Reid took the viles to hide it from the team (as someone has pointed out already) or 2) (the one none of us want to believe) Reid will soon give into his forced addiction.

I have reason to believe it's #2 (my inner fangirl screams that this can't be happening), because in an interview Matthew says something about a rival of Reid's showing up in an episode. I think that this may just feed the druggie fire, plus I don't think they'd bring something like this (Reid taking the viles) up without following through with it.

... It all makes my stomach to flip-flops! Bad, Druggie!Spencer! Bad! DX

[disturbedwriter.livejournal.com]

I know the TV Guide article said that there was a possibility for a drug addiction for Reid, so now I'm positive that it's going to happen...which frustrates me beyond all reason

[jupisan.livejournal.com]

I hope CM wont make Reid an addict because like someone said before its been done before on other shows. Please don't let it be true.
I really like Dawson in this episode. I know the actor's name but I like when fandoms collide. I like the fact that we found out about Reid's childhood.
I really like how JJ said sorry to Reid and hugged him.
Oh yea season 1 of CM is loved. :D

[http://users.livejournal.com/____xstarfall/]

NOT COOL REID
NOT COOL AT ALL

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
absolutely amazing episode, but i'm so disappointed.
OH SO DISAPPOINTED

Something to consider:

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Depending on the revolver, Reid would have been able to see the position of the single bullet, as there were not dud cartridges in the other chambers.

This is an empty revolver. (http://www.alphaprecisioninc.com/revolver/images/sight2.jpg)

This is a loaded one. (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/485608/2/istockphoto_485608_loaded_revolver_pointed_at_viewer.jpg)

He would have known exactly when he had to cave, to save his life, or buy a little more time, because he would have seen the bullet advancing to the firing chamber. It wasn't an accident that he "gave in" just before the loaded chamber.

[crystaldust203.livejournal.com]

I think I'm the only one excited by this new drug angle.

Yes, it has been done, but has it ever really been done to character like Reid? Everyone is saying it's out of character but I don't agree. They said it was some form of herion (I'm sure I spelled that wrong XP ) right? And we all know how addictive herion is. Progressively, as the series has been evolving, Reid has had to deal with more and more. His guilt with his mother, the crimes in general, that serial killer boy who tried to kill himself, and let's not forget he's one of the only characters who shows any true remorse and regret about Elle's departure. The others have been slowly breaking apart too, and we can all say they haven't been the most receptive bunch.

If I remember correctly when Reid brought up Elle with Morgan he was very harsh, saying something like "It's not your fault Reid, she did it to herself," and said nothing about missing her, which is a very Morgan-esque action. Hotch has always been harsh with Reid and Gideon has been becoming more and more unstable, in my opinion, since the Fisher King and Elle's departure. Also, the look in Reid's eyes when he watched the couple get killed and Gideon's shout out was almost... dead looking.

I suppose my point is it makes sense to me, why it's in character, and I think this could be very interesting. The one thing I worry about is how the team will surprise. JJ clearly has PTSD and Garcia is well on her way their, not to mention Hotch and Gideon's slow decline since the Fisher King. It seems like something really, really big has to happen to break them out of this, or they're going to have to end the series on a tradegic note. Let's be honest, none of them right now are in a sound mental state and realistically should not be working as FBI agents until they are.

[crystaldust203.livejournal.com]

I said "how the team will surprise" when I meant "survive" XPPP Sorry, I was so caught up in writing it I totally didn't pay attention.

[dazzy.livejournal.com]

I'm like jett_chan...I joined this community, because damnit, nobody I know cares!

I've never had a show I love break my favourite character so completely. That was the hardest hour I ever watched on television. (And usually I'm the sick one going, "pick so-and-so to torture, that gives them more screen time! mwahaha!") But with this...I've felt slightly sick since it ended.

I don't know what to think. I don't want them to give Reid a drug problem. There's so many other compelling things about his character...why invent something so tragic, when he's a tragic figure to begin with? Seriously. His mother's a schizophrenic that he had committed, he has serious autistic tendencies, and he's got no social skills. There's TONS there to work with. Why drugs man?

Basically...dudes, you broke him enough. *wibbles*

[beatriceeagle.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean. I hadn't expected to be so...affected by this episode. I'm pretty hardened against character torture -- I'm a Lost fan -- but something about this just broke my brain. I ran upstairs to my computer and just started gasping.

I don't know. There's a lot to work with, but he's also, of the characters, the one whose backstory had probably been most depleted. Also, by making him the center of this episode, they had a really great starting for changing the other characters and exploring them. All the characters are attached to Reid. He's the kid, and they're protective of him. Making him the victim enhances the reactions you get from the rest, and makes it more likely to have a lasting effect on them.

[sarievenea.livejournal.com]

OMFG. I knew they were going to do it, but to see him actually give in and take the vials, oh god. This could be SO bad, I mean, I used to love Without a Trace and since the whole addict line with Martin...yeah. It wasn't handled well. I loved that he hugged Hotch! I was begging the TV gods that someone would hug him and they did!

I really hope that Morgan saw him take the vials, or suspects something, because yes, after two days of heroin he is physically addicted and psychologically he just spent 48+ hours being told that the only way to escape the torture is the drugs, which, especially combined with the imbalances caused by a lack of food and little water, is going to take hold. His mind needs it as well. It WILL be an issue at the hospital, it will show up in the bloodwork and they saw him go into a drug-induced seizure, but as to beyond that, Hotch is far too observant for them to drag this out too far.

Morgan pissed me off a little. He cares far too deeply than he should, he gets mad and protective and all but he didn't touch Reid once they found him. That felt odd. All of the others did (except Prentiss, of course, and won't her backstory be interesting? Why is she a robot?) and I really thought Morgan would want to reach out. The two of them seem close.

Anyways, I love that Reid used his wits and not only survived but killed the guy, I don't think he was completely broken by this. Not now, anyways, but I think he will. Eventually. And one of the others is going to have to get their act together and be there for him.

*slaps team* Wake up! Man is not an island!!

Well, all that being said...POOR REID!!! SO NOT NICE TO MY BOY!!!!

[marykaykare.livejournal.com]

Based on what we know of Morgan's backstory, I suspect he has an issue about touching guys.

MKK

[cpolk.livejournal.com]

you guys and your negative reaction to the last twenty seconds of this episode are making me insane.

I'm just saying.

[beatriceeagle.livejournal.com]

I just rewatched the episode (I don't know why I do this to myself), and I'm really starting to think that there will be an addiction storyline. The first time Tobias tried to injection, he tried to protest, he said, "I don't want it." The second time, Tobias asked him if he could honestly say it didn't help, and he didn't say anything. He did, however, flinch at the needle. The third and final time, he doesn't say anything, he doesn't flinch, and he looks utterly relieved when he starts to go under. The progression is there, and I think it's going to happen.

And I don't really mind.

[tenshi-nanashi.livejournal.com]

okay, since my vcr failed to tape the episode while I was in class I have no clue what's going on except that Reid apparantly hugged people and stole drugs.
Does anyone know where I can get the episode? or summarize it really really well?
Please take pity upon my soul, they are probably not going to show it again...
I'm going to go cry in a corner now and swear at my traiterous VCR.

[sarievenea.livejournal.com]

All in all it was a terrific ep, there was lots of interaction and angst and a terrifyingly screwed up unsub that actually was one of the better ones I've seen. He was sad and scary and brutal all at once, I've always thought that the best villians are the ones that invoke pity as well as fear. And Tobias did. They pulled everyone to the brink and did it well, and now the aftermath is going to be fascinating.

Reid was forced to relive some pretty painful childhood stuff, and yet he kept his brain about him and survived even though he was tortured pretty extensively, physically as well as such lovely psychological torment as choosing someone to live and someone to die and digging his own grave and watching a killer take over his son's mind. It was intense and I wept and hollered and my roommate even winced and yelled a couple of times. Not sure if I helped your dilemma any, but hey. As far as getting the ep, stay tuned.

[gwendolynflight.livejournal.com]

hi, new here, specifically found this because of tonight's episode. ::traumatized:: but mostly i had a question. what was with reid having a seizure? did anyone catch what cause it? cause i was hiding behind a pillow at that point, and by the time i peeked out he was already seizing. damn the luck. is he epileptic?

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

My guess would be: concussion, drug overdose, dehydration; repeated blows.

Pick two. Or three.

No, he's not epileptic. AFAWK.

The Drug

[marykaykare.livejournal.com]

The fellow from Narcotics Anonymous that JJ and whatsit talked to said that Tobias took Dilaudid, which one of them called "drugstore heroin". That's a slang name for Dilaudid which is a synthetic narcotic. It wasn't acutal heroin, ok?

I had Dilaudid after my knee replacement surgery 2 years ago and it is really nice stuff. Note that I had it in a self-administration pump for, I think 3 days, with no addiction issues. Though, of course, I didn't cold turkey off it but went to less potent pain killers. Though I do have to admit that I was sad when they took it away.

MKK

Re: The Drug

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Well, frankly, I think Reid was in enough pain that psychological addiction is a more pressing issue than physiological.