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criminalxmindsWhat do you think they will do / what do you want happen?
I really hope they don't kill her off, I never like character deaths. I'm a comic book fan and my favourite part of fandom is fandom - with the canon as commonly accepted shared fodder. If a character dies, it's a lot harder to write in an appearance for them as something that happened between episodes!
I wondered if I'll be okay with Hotch/Prentiss* if she's no longer a main character - I don't want canon shipping between the main cast because then it will overtake the ensemble show format, but at the same time, I've always loved how Prentiss was her own women, and having her no longer a main character but a main character's girlfriend, be she Hotch's GF or Morgan's GF or Reid's GF (I ship that), that would feel like a lessening.
A lot of people said they would stop watching if Reid leaves, or Hotch leaves, or Rossi, but well, out of everyone, in-universe, Reid and Hotch leaving makes the most sense, and it wouldn't be sad, they could still visit. I thought "True Genius" gave Reid the opening of finding something to do with his Physics degrees, and ha, because we don't have enough gender flip, it'll be cool if he adopts a kid with Emily and HE quits to stay with the kid! Hotch would quit to spend more time with Jack, who had already lost his mother. Rossi solved that case that was haunting him - but I can't see Rossi quitting unless there was someone else to take his place - of taking care of the team, and there isn't anyone right now, who either have a lot on their plate, or is very much a baby (Garcia).
I didn't want it to be a pregnancy, because it is cliche, it is so cliche, but perhaps if they do it, it's balanced out by JJ having a baby and not quitting her job - because quitting a job for your children is a faultless option, for man or woman. I just don't like it when it is often unquestionably expected of women, and when female characters overwhelming portrayed as the ones who have to leave to take care of the kids.
What I want the most: is for Emily to stay. I'll be okay with Hotch or Reid leaving, because they have their reasons. I still love Gideon best, but it was definitely his time to leave. As it was Elle. With Emily, it's just Too Soon. Hotch has Jack. Reid has his physics degrees and a mother in care. JJ has Henry AND a husband with abandonment issues (Will's mother died, and then his father died while working on a case in spite of Will's pleads for him to leave). Emily just doesn't seem to have a good reason to quit, a job that she seem to love kicking ass at. Except - if Interpol wants her back.
* Hotch/Prentiss happy ending (as suggested by some comments on tvline): I'm not a 'die-hard' shipper, to paraphrase Sunfreak, I believe that depending on the circumstances, anyone can love anyone. I could see Hotch/Prentiss, and there are things I do like about it, but it makes me uncomfortable the way Hotch/Reid or Prentiss/Reid does not. Why? Expectations. All three of the female characters in the main cast is strong in their own ways, but ironically, while Emily Prentiss is the most outwardly strong and masculine / unisex woman - she wears pantsuit in black or gray colors while JJ and Garcia often wears neutral toned or colourful skirts. Prentiss speaks in the no-nonsense intonation typically used by men, and 'dyke'* identified women in the queer subculture, while traditionally Most Women end their sentences on a soft tone almost like a question, and she's primary an agent of action.
In spite of her Strong and Masculine narrative (and those two are often stuck together), Prentiss was Vulnerable On The Inside, she's at core less self-assured than JJ. That's okay, hey, that's Hotch post Foyet as well, but while Hotch's Strong on the Outside, Vulnerable on the Inside, is just one of the many many varying portrayal of men available in the media. All too often, women in the media are whittled down to The Girlfriend, or, Ms Independent...who secretly needs a man and is relieved when she finally gets to Settle Down with one, the popularly intended narrative of All About Eve (1950)...though Bette Davis rescued it so that it was more 'she was a long time thespian workaholic who's going to retire and enjoy life' and less 'she finally found her true calling as The Girlfriend as oppose to a career she was merely experimenting with'.
I'm just worried that if they make Hotch and Prentiss canon, instead of 'even the strong are sometimes vulnerable and lean on your partner', it's going to come off as, 'Strong' Woman Prentiss just needs to find a big enough Alpha Male to take charge. ...and while there is nothing individually wrong with that, I've read some stuff like that in the kink meme, pretty much every character. Overwhelmingly, it's the female characters who secretly hate being in charge and just wants to settle down, and goddamn, we need our alternatives for diversity.
...and let me clarify, I'm totally not knocking those who ship Hotch/Prentiss, it just makes me uncomfortable, almost as uncomfortable as The Comedian / Silk Spectre I, and I ship THAT.
ETA:
*'dyke', for the purpose of this article, this term is used by this dyke (me) and queer culture buff in the context of queer coding: a tradition of writing or reading a character as queer through a set of behaviour where they don't actually do anything homosexual - and therefore would have beenagainst the rules of the old Hollywood Code. See The Celluloid Closet, or thebratqueen's three essays: the dead gay stereotype, buffy and gay stereotype, and angel and gay stereotype.
-- me: just last week, in spite of the fact that I have my hair in a ponytail and wasn't even wearing a collared shirt, a woman I was speaking to addressed me as 'sir' because of my mannerism
- Queer Coding: AfterElton: High School Musical 3's Ryan Evans still a coded gay character - Posted by Dennis Ayers, Editor on October 24, 2008
-- Emily's Queer Coding: Oh, I guess in addition to my worries of Strong Woman Needs A Stronger Men if they ship her with the very Alpha Hotch (I know they said they wouldn't, but it was a part of no main cast shipping and Prentiss is leaving), I'm fearing the Cured Lesbian Scenario. Okay, there was Doyle, but that was part of her cover! I read way more into what Emily said to Garcia about the girl on the hill and how precious Garcia is to Emily.
---...and holy Cable and Deadpool! What might have been: The show's executive producer Ed Bernero told the publication, "We don't even know if Prentiss is straight," (Feb 2011): and do I hate CBS with the venom of a thousand brown recluse? Yes I do. I don't care if Paget Brewster decided to renew her contract, this is a decision she made after much dickery on the part of CBS, they fired her, they yanked her back, she asked for an apology and a raise, and they were like lol we'll just sue you, and I believe that they didn't handle contract talks with her in good faith.
-- Additionally: 'Queer Women' works for homosexual and bisexual women, though in some
places, queer is offensive, while in others, 'homosexual' is no longer in use except when discussing haters uproar or anti-bills against 'homosexual acts' or 'homosexual conspiracy'. Dyke =/= queer women and queer women =/= dyke. The 'dyke' identity is not just one of sexual orientation but gender as well. This is a word that is highly dependent on context, 1)if you are not queer, you probably shouldn't use it except someone identifies as such, and to stop when you start criticizing least it becomes used as a derogatory, and 2) while it has gender connotation, it is still a queer word. In entertainment, non-heteronormative is a way to code a character as queer without saying it, due to the aforementioned old Hollywood Code, but In Real Life, non-hteronormative =/= dyke.
crossposted from criminalminds Dreamwidth
I really hope they don't kill her off, I never like character deaths. I'm a comic book fan and my favourite part of fandom is fandom - with the canon as commonly accepted shared fodder. If a character dies, it's a lot harder to write in an appearance for them as something that happened between episodes!
I wondered if I'll be okay with Hotch/Prentiss* if she's no longer a main character - I don't want canon shipping between the main cast because then it will overtake the ensemble show format, but at the same time, I've always loved how Prentiss was her own women, and having her no longer a main character but a main character's girlfriend, be she Hotch's GF or Morgan's GF or Reid's GF (I ship that), that would feel like a lessening.
A lot of people said they would stop watching if Reid leaves, or Hotch leaves, or Rossi, but well, out of everyone, in-universe, Reid and Hotch leaving makes the most sense, and it wouldn't be sad, they could still visit. I thought "True Genius" gave Reid the opening of finding something to do with his Physics degrees, and ha, because we don't have enough gender flip, it'll be cool if he adopts a kid with Emily and HE quits to stay with the kid! Hotch would quit to spend more time with Jack, who had already lost his mother. Rossi solved that case that was haunting him - but I can't see Rossi quitting unless there was someone else to take his place - of taking care of the team, and there isn't anyone right now, who either have a lot on their plate, or is very much a baby (Garcia).
I didn't want it to be a pregnancy, because it is cliche, it is so cliche, but perhaps if they do it, it's balanced out by JJ having a baby and not quitting her job - because quitting a job for your children is a faultless option, for man or woman. I just don't like it when it is often unquestionably expected of women, and when female characters overwhelming portrayed as the ones who have to leave to take care of the kids.
What I want the most: is for Emily to stay. I'll be okay with Hotch or Reid leaving, because they have their reasons. I still love Gideon best, but it was definitely his time to leave. As it was Elle. With Emily, it's just Too Soon. Hotch has Jack. Reid has his physics degrees and a mother in care. JJ has Henry AND a husband with abandonment issues (Will's mother died, and then his father died while working on a case in spite of Will's pleads for him to leave). Emily just doesn't seem to have a good reason to quit, a job that she seem to love kicking ass at. Except - if Interpol wants her back.
* Hotch/Prentiss happy ending (as suggested by some comments on tvline): I'm not a 'die-hard' shipper, to paraphrase Sunfreak, I believe that depending on the circumstances, anyone can love anyone. I could see Hotch/Prentiss, and there are things I do like about it, but it makes me uncomfortable the way Hotch/Reid or Prentiss/Reid does not. Why? Expectations. All three of the female characters in the main cast is strong in their own ways, but ironically, while Emily Prentiss is the most outwardly strong and masculine / unisex woman - she wears pantsuit in black or gray colors while JJ and Garcia often wears neutral toned or colourful skirts. Prentiss speaks in the no-nonsense intonation typically used by men, and 'dyke'* identified women in the queer subculture, while traditionally Most Women end their sentences on a soft tone almost like a question, and she's primary an agent of action.
In spite of her Strong and Masculine narrative (and those two are often stuck together), Prentiss was Vulnerable On The Inside, she's at core less self-assured than JJ. That's okay, hey, that's Hotch post Foyet as well, but while Hotch's Strong on the Outside, Vulnerable on the Inside, is just one of the many many varying portrayal of men available in the media. All too often, women in the media are whittled down to The Girlfriend, or, Ms Independent...who secretly needs a man and is relieved when she finally gets to Settle Down with one, the popularly intended narrative of All About Eve (1950)...though Bette Davis rescued it so that it was more 'she was a long time thespian workaholic who's going to retire and enjoy life' and less 'she finally found her true calling as The Girlfriend as oppose to a career she was merely experimenting with'.
I'm just worried that if they make Hotch and Prentiss canon, instead of 'even the strong are sometimes vulnerable and lean on your partner', it's going to come off as, 'Strong' Woman Prentiss just needs to find a big enough Alpha Male to take charge. ...and while there is nothing individually wrong with that, I've read some stuff like that in the kink meme, pretty much every character. Overwhelmingly, it's the female characters who secretly hate being in charge and just wants to settle down, and goddamn, we need our alternatives for diversity.
...and let me clarify, I'm totally not knocking those who ship Hotch/Prentiss, it just makes me uncomfortable, almost as uncomfortable as The Comedian / Silk Spectre I, and I ship THAT.
ETA:
*'dyke', for the purpose of this article, this term is used by this dyke (me) and queer culture buff in the context of queer coding: a tradition of writing or reading a character as queer through a set of behaviour where they don't actually do anything homosexual - and therefore would have beenagainst the rules of the old Hollywood Code. See The Celluloid Closet, or thebratqueen's three essays: the dead gay stereotype, buffy and gay stereotype, and angel and gay stereotype.
-- me: just last week, in spite of the fact that I have my hair in a ponytail and wasn't even wearing a collared shirt, a woman I was speaking to addressed me as 'sir' because of my mannerism
- Queer Coding: AfterElton: High School Musical 3's Ryan Evans still a coded gay character - Posted by Dennis Ayers, Editor on October 24, 2008
-- Emily's Queer Coding: Oh, I guess in addition to my worries of Strong Woman Needs A Stronger Men if they ship her with the very Alpha Hotch (I know they said they wouldn't, but it was a part of no main cast shipping and Prentiss is leaving), I'm fearing the Cured Lesbian Scenario. Okay, there was Doyle, but that was part of her cover! I read way more into what Emily said to Garcia about the girl on the hill and how precious Garcia is to Emily.
---...and holy Cable and Deadpool! What might have been: The show's executive producer Ed Bernero told the publication, "We don't even know if Prentiss is straight," (Feb 2011): and do I hate CBS with the venom of a thousand brown recluse? Yes I do. I don't care if Paget Brewster decided to renew her contract, this is a decision she made after much dickery on the part of CBS, they fired her, they yanked her back, she asked for an apology and a raise, and they were like lol we'll just sue you, and I believe that they didn't handle contract talks with her in good faith.
-- Additionally: 'Queer Women' works for homosexual and bisexual women, though in some
places, queer is offensive, while in others, 'homosexual' is no longer in use except when discussing haters uproar or anti-bills against 'homosexual acts' or 'homosexual conspiracy'. Dyke =/= queer women and queer women =/= dyke. The 'dyke' identity is not just one of sexual orientation but gender as well. This is a word that is highly dependent on context, 1)if you are not queer, you probably shouldn't use it except someone identifies as such, and to stop when you start criticizing least it becomes used as a derogatory, and 2) while it has gender connotation, it is still a queer word. In entertainment, non-heteronormative is a way to code a character as queer without saying it, due to the aforementioned old Hollywood Code, but In Real Life, non-hteronormative =/= dyke.
crossposted from criminalminds Dreamwidth
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