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[drasticbarbie.livejournal.com]

someone's reply to my last post gave me this idea. antionettemason said that not all the victims on CM are portrayed as weak. that's very true.

which is your favorite victim, one who you thought was really awesome?

for me it was the girl who escaped in "Bloodline" because she remembered so much and helped them catch the unsubs. and the woman in Mexico who laughed at her rapist.

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[drasticbarbie.livejournal.com]

that is a good point. when i was in high school i had this ongoing arguement with a friend who said that if someone approaches you with a weapon you should just do what they say. a few years ago i was with some friends and a group of men pulled a gun on us. i ran away after telling my friends to run also and simultaneously dialing 911 on my cell. we were chased but ultimately alerted neighbors who let us in and the guys gave up and ran away. i don't know what they wanted, but there were rapes and murders locally committed by a group matching the description. when we got home a roomie was like, "i don't know if running away was the best thing, but at least you're okay."

in any situation the action that helps you get away safely is the right thing. there is no room for second guessing yourself, another theme of the show. if i hadn't run i don't know what would've happened. and i wasn't supposed to be there anyway. fighting back is generally a good idea. if you get killed at least you go down fighting.

re: approached by dude with weapon

[gsyh.livejournal.com]

When I was a kid, I was told by safety class that if someone pointed a gun at me and tell me to get into their car, I should scream and run.

I would do that today, because well, what's to stop them from killing you? In fact, if you run, they shoot you, they draw attention, and then the ambulance can come for you. You get into their car, go off to their territory, you never get seen again.


Reading Evil Intentions when I was in junior high convinced me that if anyone tried to rape me, I will almost always go for fight, go down maiming him to make it harder for him to victimize at least. I say almost always, because there are indeed different type of rapists and different type of scenario.

In this:
Evil Intentions: The Story of How an Act of Kindness Led to Senseless Murder [Hardcover]
Ronald J. Watkins
The account of Suzanne Rossetti's abduction, rape, and murder by Michael David Logan and Jesse James Gillies discusses the events leading up to the crime, the hunt for the killers, and their trial. 30,000 first printing. $25,000 ad/promo.

They didn't cover their faces, it was a carjacking that become robbing her home, and the raping her in it, and then they took her away from her home... Ask yourself, what's their plan? They didn't have one, they were amoral and vicious and acting on increasingly violent impulse, they weren't going to let her walk. Poor Susan didn't know, she grew up with "don't fight the rapist". But the moment they did't leave her tied up in her home, when they took her with them again, I think I would have felt for sure that it would end in murder, which it did.

Now if it was someone like the unsubs in Aftermath (http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Aftermath) or Machismo (http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Machismo), unless I'm sure I can take him down, I would choose to cooperate with his fantasy, maybe I'll try to negotiate, but I will NOT provoke him, and I'll just have to cross by fingers that I'll get to be that lady - the one who got called by her rapist afterwards asking for a date, she said yes, and her rapists showed up, the police arrested him.

Bernardo never killed before he met Homolka, he was the kinda creep who believed it was his right to rape women, and then life just goes on, and in fact, that's what he was doing long before the stranger rapes / blitz attacks, he was controlling towards the women he was involved with, and he raped a female peer. His sexual fantasy wasn't about the death, that's why it wasn't on film, he was obsessed with taking someone's virginity and leaving a lasting memory....Homolka was obsessed with death.

The point was, even with this infamous killer, during the early attacks, his fantasy was that he was in a relationship with the women, cooperation would actually minimize harm, the way it wouldn't with Jeffrey Dahmer...and the way it didn't later, because "what was their plan?" Early on, he blitz them, he rapes them on location, and then he leaves them there, alive. ...but once it moves to kidnapping, yeah, likely it will end in murder, and it did.