Kirsten Joining Spin-off at The Two Cents

[jl-decker.livejournal.com]

Kirsten Vangsness Is Added To ‘Minds’ Spin-off Cast at The Two Cents

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[jl-decker.livejournal.com]

Oh good. I was starting to feel like a pariah. I have a feeling there are more people who would watch it for her who are just afraid to admit it because there is so much vitriol coming from the people still adamantly hating the idea.

[flameturnedblue.livejournal.com]

'Vitriol' is a little strong. I think people are just genuinely shocked and saddened by all that's happening. Also, it's far too much of a coincidence that goings on with CM are concordant with developments for the spinoff.

[anomalous1.livejournal.com]

It's a show. it's horrible, it's sad, but it's a show. I bet the same thing happened when Mandy/Gideon left, when Elle left... but it happens, and sometimes the show is still just as good, sometimes it's not.

[antoinettemason.livejournal.com]

I bet the same thing happened when Mandy/Gideon left, when Elle left...

the difference here is, lola and mandy both left the show voluntarily. people were bummed, yes, but you really can't get too upset if the actor wants to move on to something else, you know? whereas the latest shenanigans aren't anything anyone asked for, and the fans and the cast were blindsided by the whole debacle. like flameturnedblue said, the timing of all these developments has a lot of fans smelling a rat, and they're understandably not happy.

[flameturnedblue.livejournal.com]

This. x

[iamtheliquorr.livejournal.com]

I think I'm going to start fangirling you :)

Thank you for the succinct explanation!

[flameturnedblue.livejournal.com]

Yes, it's a show, and I'm not losing sleep over it, but it's something I (and a lot of other people) care about. I reserve my right to feel upset and cranky.

antoinettemason has already hit the nail on the head re: the comparison of the current scenario, and what happened with Mandy and Elle. Not really comparable.

[iamtheliquorr.livejournal.com]

The point here is not people bawwwing over the departure of their favorite characters. It never has been. antoinettemason has summed up nicely why the situations with Elle and Gideon are not the same thing and why the spinoff tends to get dragged into this whole kerfuffle. People are upset b/c CBS's actions with AJ and Paget (along with their actions on other shows) strongly imply a broader social issue (sexism) that goes way beyond fannish butthurt.

[iamtheliquorr.livejournal.com]

The problem with everything that's been happening lately is that CBS crapfest engaged some really ugly implications about sexism, and that's where 90% of the wank is coming from. I highly doubt anyone feels that strongly about fannish opinions. The strong feelings are b/c for those fans, it's not about fandom but a broader social issue that would bring about passionate responses in any situation.

I don't think people are purposely trying to rain on the parade of those who are enthusiastic about the spinoff. If someone said "I'm excited about seeing Garcia on the spinoff" most who disagree would shrug and move on. But if someone said "I'm excited about seeing Garcia on the spinoff and idg why everyone's so upset" then people will naturally be inclined to explain why they're upset, and all this ugly stuff starts coming out again and it's just going to be yet another wankfest.

[jl-decker.livejournal.com]

I realize that, and I agree. I was pissed about what happened, and I do believe that CBS' actions, not just with CM, but with several other shows, have been sexist. Not too long ago, I wrote an angry opinion piece at the Two Cents about that very thing.

I didn't say I didn't understand people's anger. If it came across that way, it's not what I meant.

[iamtheliquorr.livejournal.com]

Oh, I in no way meant to come off like I was singling you out. I was making more of a general statement--sadly, I have seen sentiments like that around in which some fans sincerely don't get that it isn't about people being butthurt over their favorite characters. smdh

That said, I honestly do not believe anyone would attack you over having a positive opinion of the spinoff. Yeah, there's a lot of negativity with regards to it, but it's been mostly directed at the show itself and not other fans.

Besides, talk of feeling like a pariah for having an unpopular opinion kind of makes me eyeroll hard (no offense) b/c I have had one in every fandom I'm in--I seem to have a knack for choosing as my favorite the female character the majority of the fandom hates. At least in CM fandom, I can honestly say the only place I've ever been attacked for my Elle stanning was ontd, and well... it's ontd.

[jl-decker.livejournal.com]

LOL I know I've not been personally attacked, and I don't expect to be. And honestly, pariah is a word that I like because it amuses me. Don't know why. Maybe because on one of my other shows there's a stupid joke about someone being a "social piranha". Anyway, it was an exaggeration, and I tend to forget that internet tone is hard to read. So, yeah.

I'll shut up now, because it's probably starting to look like I'm backpedaling. LOL

[iamtheliquorr.livejournal.com]

Haha, it's all good. No worries.

I certainly get why fans with unpopular opinions would be hesitant to post them, but I've also found that once someone does, other fans with that same opinion come out of the woodwork, and you might find that opinion isn't as unpopular as you thought (or at least you know you're not alone lol).

[jl-decker.livejournal.com]

I was actually a little surprised that there wasn't more than like two people who said they would watch it in this case. *shrug*

I'm not afraid of having unpopular opinions, or I wouldn't have written this. In my last fandom, I wrote a pairing with one of the most popular characters paired with one the fandom was generally disgusted by. Heh. I'd get maybe one comment on every three posts.

What made me hesitant here is that I was so firmly and adamantly in the other camp not too long ago. I hate that. I hate it when something makes me flip-flop. lol. I will never say I'm eating my words, because I still stand behind everything I said, but when the facts change, we all reevaluate.

[jl-decker.livejournal.com]

You might be right that it's too strong a word. It just depends on which reactions you're reading.

[anomalous1.livejournal.com]

I was already going to watch the spin-off, but now I'll have something to look forwards to with the spin-off!

and, I agree. Completely.